Diane Downs's boyfriend, Robert Knickerbocker was never a suspect or a person of interest in the case. Robert is in his early sixties now and retired. It took a lot of time to research this case and present the other side of the coin. Don't know what in the world came over me, Christopher P. Stokes told a Wisconsin court. Search for birth, death, marriage, divorce, US Census, and military records. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. In an interesting development, in 1986, Christie and Danny Downs were adopted by Fred Hugi, the lead prosecutor who put their mother behind bars for the rest of her life. I do not have to put any statement advising people that I am about to present the neglected aspects of the trial. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say todays 10 yr olds. View the profiles of people named Robert Knickerbocker. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? They are the ones who considered Dianes children as Small Sacrifices. I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? Robert Craig KNICKERBOCKER was born on December 25, 1932 and passed away on May 15, 2015 in Tucson, AZ and is under the care of. A steel plate had to be attached and some lead fragments were removed. The role of Diane Downs was played by none other than Farrah Fawcett and her lover was played by Ryan ONeal who had been Farrahs love interest in real life. Mr. Jagger said it wasnt t enough to know a witness had lied, but she would have to prove it. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. Robert resides in Tucson, AZ with Deborah. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. Sad situation. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. . During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. I look forward to reading your other blogs. (her family confirmed that she had a mood disorder, possibly bipolar 2), So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis.. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. Phone Number: (520) 293-QPFP +2 phones. Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided togo forit. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? Comments about the title of the website, the blogger, the bias, details like the word bipolar and when it was used when cyclothymic disorder was diagnosed by the person who treated the subject and there is an affidavit posted. Despite the arrival of two daughters, Diane and Steves marriage was unstable, and Diane would often take the kids and leave their home, but would always eventually return home to Steve. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. I agree on many points with your comment. He was interogated but, the police never had a reason to doubt him. She's been imprisoned for nearly 35 years. Is it just to continue to punish her so long after she is obviously no longer a danger in any way to anyone? It's surprising how much a musical selection can affect mourning. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. I care about what was said at trial. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. It was a dark and rural road. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. They lied about the ballistics. As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song Hungry like the Wolf that supposedly was playing when the children were shot in the car. Not giving you free reign here. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. In this article, we can clearly see that Becky struggled and tried to justify her woes (maybe rightly so) by blaming it on her DNA. They were in a difficult situation becausewithout evidence, they could notcharge her for the crime. Amanda Knox Is Not Far Behind! There is so much to say about this blog I wouldnt know where to start. Agreed. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. What I believe doesnt matter at all. How asinine. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. Ways to honor Robert Knickerbocker's life and legacy. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. Nothing in this blog claims Diane is innocent. Say Her Name - But Spell It Right - The Tale of Breonna Taylor, Scott Peterson Was not Entitled to a Perfect Trial, but he Was Entitled to a Fair One He Received Neither. And he was found not guilty because his defense team played the race card in an area of LA where they did not trust the police and discussed EDTA and DNA ad nauseam to confuse the jurors. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. Danny downs did indeed say a man shot him he also blamed a cartoon character. He was buried at burial place, Arizona. is this a reason??? Dianes father tried to hire Melvin Belli, but the judge refused to give him some time to prepare and come back to the US. View Dean Knickerbocker's profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) There are no facts? The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. She should have had the lawyer of her choice and if they wanted to charge her with the crimes, they should have stuck with what evidence and circumstances they had. This is a conflict of interest. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. They felt safe there. How.. they attacked him. Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. Imagine knowing that your adoptive dad was responsible for putting your natural mom in the slammer? Diane downs. If not, why not? It does not contradict what I said, but what they said. Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. Other names that Robert uses includes Robert A Knickerbocker. I can only imagine to absolute horror of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca during their horrific murders. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? Child Protective Services takes confidentiality to the extreme (warranted in most cases). If you had, you would clearly know that I do not claim her guilt or innocence. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. View property details and household demographic information related to income, investments, and interests. Every single one. We will never know what really happened because the authorities acted too hastily and the media was a huge hindrance. The fact that she drove there and it saved the life of two of her children should give anyone pause. What kind of arrangement is appropriate, where should you send it, and when should you send an alternative? The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. I can't bear any of my tribal members to go through what I went through, says Ashlea Aldrichs mother. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. I followed the trial. It is not, as the blogger frequently refers to, evidence. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. I was always really bothered by that. We found 5 phone numbers and email addresses. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. So if we started judging people harshly for their flaws, it would never end. It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business. I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. Powered by WordPress.com VIP. Wasnt it speculative on their part? Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. HUGE conflict of interest. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. Looking for Robert Knickerbocker? I am just curious. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. Is. She was found guilty. I think u need to read the facts. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. CANDLE HAS BEEN LIT CANDLES HAVE BEEN LIT, We are reviewing your submission. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. In the 21st century, it's not just urns and gravestones anymore. It seems that the Downs were totally ignored. Diane had spent three days in the hospital ingesting massive doses of Morphine, Demerol, Percodan, and visterol. Five doctors have observed and documented this phenomenon. Insulting a woman in prison since 30 years instead of debating the inconsistencies of this case is pretty pathetic. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. They were the small sacrifices. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. I have simply bothered researching the evidence and in some instances, the lack of it. . No. Anyways. I am glad that some articles remain. Where to begin? I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. Of course. They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. This whole case is flawed. You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. He actually was the one who suggested they become intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. I will post it when I get it. So obviously, she was the prime suspect. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. Anything less is a conflict of interest. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. You have funeral questions, we have answers. Facebook gives people. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. As time went on, Diane became the prime suspect, especially after Robert and her ex-husband, Steve Downs, both told authorities that she owned a .22 caliber handgun, the same type which was used for the shooting of the children. So they did everything in their power to slant the media and the public in their favor. To find out which of Robert De Niro's films stand out among the rest, Stacker found his top 50 movies based on IMDb user ratings. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. She was not in the car when her children were shot. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. Robert came clean to his wife about the affair, and then, went on to help the police in their investigation. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. Right after her first surgery, The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. * Historical, vital, and court records and search results may require an additional purchase. There were a few calls and on one occasion,Christie said They just, they knew that, you know, that she did it and I should say that she did it. When asked if she thought her mother did it or someone else did it, she replied, I dont know if she did it or someone else did, cause I dont know. Then Angel says: They told you that was the right thing to do, huh? Christie responds, But like the person, my attorney, and thats who Fred is, that Im living with, hes the guy, he works for me.. But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. 3 records for "Robert Knickerbocker" in "Pima County". When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. It is in the blog. Any thoughts on that? He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. For some people, the best send-off is one that they would have loved to attendthemselves: a big party. Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. Twitter is an internet service where users can update the world in real-time as to their current activities, thoughts and location in 140 characters or less. Be the first to post a memory or condolences. Or that they are not even curious about it. One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. Aint no one gonna tarnish my guys lol. As for Diane, give me a break. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. Lives in Dallas, TX. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. time it was the situation was down. That says it all. According to Downs, they had visited a friend in the nearby town of Marcola and were driving back to Springfield along a lonely stretch of highway. (Page 3) So I start with that bit of history in mind. Steve Downs had allegedly stolen this gun from a friend named Billy Proctor, but after it was found and the ballistics did not match, Bill suddenly remembered keeping it only for a day before exchanging it for another Ruger automatic at a gun show in Mesa; which now meant that the gun that Diane allegedly used to shoot herself and the children, was still apparently nowhere to be found. The detective said if Diane would just testify against Steve Downs, she and her children could go home and try to put their lives back together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. At the very least, she should have been released by now. 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